User blog:Venom00/Archive 3

So Yuka
is more "dorodere" than yandere, isn't she ? I read somewhere that the principle reason why she did that is to really care about Kakeru. Also, in the anime, she doesn't care about the others (when Shiori said to her that Takahisa and Yukiko could die, she smiled and said as long she has Kakeru, it's fine) but in the game, she seems to be attached to them, isn't she ? (At least, she didn't try to kill Misuzu like in the anime)

EveFall 19:12, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CG AND WHICH ROUTE IS IT FROM?
There's a cg where Yukiko is with Takahisa and they talk about something. And I'm confused which route it is from. In the Complete Illustrations Book, It's placed in Yukiko's section, but Yukiko's route has no love triangle. A blog placed the cg in Takahisa's section. Can you answer this please and tell me what goes on in the cg. Please respond back.

(76.211.225.180 08:17, January 8, 2012 (UTC))

OOPSIES
Sorry about that. It's on the first page on this website I found. Copy the url below and paste it above the box. Then when you are at the website, scroll down until you see Yukiko and Takahisa alone in the cg. I hope this was useful enough.

http://www.lightnovel.cn/thread-299676-1-1.html

Or you can go to google images and type 11eyes resona forma cg. It's the third image. If you were not successful finding it, It's okay.

(76.211.225.180 08:17, January 8, 2012 (UTC))

That's so true
Dogakobo had really wasted the anime! Although even if we couldn't expect a great anime based on an eroge, there were some of goods (for example Shuffle!) but there, all of the story and the characters were changed. If Yuka had stayed as she was in the game (even if she was a dorodere, she would have been still interesting), I would have liked the anime better. It's the same for Misuzu. Even if she has nearly the same character, she was a bit annoying with Kakeru. Yukiko and Takahisa were still correct, but for Kukuri and Shiori were underdeveloped, (and moreover, Shiori dies!). And I don't speak about the Black knights, where in the anime, their story and their character were nearly suppressed (There is even not the romance between Ira and Invidia. And Gula was the buffon of the team). -_- And Verard and Liselotte.. I didn't know they had a big role in the game. So you'd understood me.

I wonder if a second season will come out (according to the ending). I hope not. If they make 11eyes Crossover as 11eyes was, I can't give hope to it. I would be sure that if it was the case, Shione would replace Yuka and Shiori would die too, killed by Kanae. (Excuse me for this long comment, but it's just in order to express my frustation about it xD)

EveFall 16:43, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'm agree with you
That's would be so great, an anime about 11eyes Crossover. Or, an anime about 11eyes, where Kakeru doesn't end up with Yuka or Misuzu (I prefer him with Kukuri or Shiori, as in the game. Of course, Yukiko x Takahisa Forever!) I also would like an OVA about Lisette story or the apostles story, but I don't think if it's possible (and not by Dogakobo, even if some of their anime are not bad, like Myself;Yourself)

EveFall 21:46, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

ARE THEY?
Do Takahisa and Yukiko have other moments in Takahisa's route? It because they don't have that much romantic moments. They also are not seen in H-scenes that much either. Why is that?

(76.211.225.180 05:27, Janurary 13, 2012 (UTC)

So to amount to Yuka
In the game, she sacrificed herself in using Phantamosgoria in order to make Kakeru happy, didn't she ? So, even if it was meaning to suppress the others's memories, and to be categorized as a yandere, her intention wasn't so bad, wasn't it? I think if it would have been showed in the anime, I would have had a different opinion about her.

Anyway, how could she regained her memories about the orphanage ? It it because of her power "Hand of Glory"?

EveFall 11:51, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

So it wasn't only for Kakeru
that she used Phantomasgoria, but also for herself. I understood better now, even if it was a little complicated. Yuka is a lot more complex in the game, and she seems to be a lot more interesting than in the anime. I think if she has been like that in the anime, I would like loved the pairing Kakeru x Yuka. But it wasn't the case. How could Dogakobo suppress something as important as this plot ? Pff. It's beyond me...

But her power isn't the most poweful, is it ? Even if it's contained one of the most poweful Liselotte's spell, I read somewhere that the most poweful fragment was Kukuri's power. Beside the Eye of Aeon, was it the most powerful Fragment ?

EveFall 10:46, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yes but
I think if they had put this part of Yuka, she would have been a better character, than just a poor useless stupid and pathetic girl who turned into a Yandere who wants to kill everyone! Even for Kukuri. Her fragment is the most powerful so I understand now that she is in fact nearly a kind of god, isn't she ? Great, they zapped this part at the end of the game. -_- As well as the fight between Kakeru and Liselotte, Avaritia and Shiori, and Misuzu against Superbia.

By the way, I have a question about them: except Gula, who is has the personality of a warrior and who turned into a buffon in the anime, have the Black knights got nearly the same character in the game and the anime ?

EveFall 16:36, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hahaha
Anime really waste them as well as the protagonists. There weren't even real fight with Superbia and Avaritia. Without mentionning that there weren't evidence that they care about each other in the anime and they die uselessly. But I have a question: were they the same in their human form ?

EveFall 18:01, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

I mean
if they have the same personality that in Black knights (excepted the cruel and evil side that they had because of the Refd Night) or if they were different when they were humans. Sorry, my english is rather bad.

EveFall 18:22, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Okay so
As I don't have the game, I didn't know. But I have a question about Misao: Have you got an idea of what happens to her at the end of the anime. She transferred Kakeru and others in an another world, but that's all.

EveFall 18:52, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking about
I found on a site where there are nearly of the route in Resona Forma, (unfortunately in Chinese and today closed) There is a scene, before the battle against Liselotte, where Samson seemed to slap Elaine, and I can't translate that. What happened ? Apparently it's after Misao invocated her shinigami.

Thanks for clarify me about that.

EveFall 20:19, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ah I see
Elaine was hard at this scene, but because of her antecedent, she is a bit hostile toward heretics, isn't she ? Apparently the relationships between Superbia and her wasn't better in the past, aren't they ?

I think it's sounds weird, but I would have liked Misao with Samson...(Ok, I'm out) I felt bad for him.

Other question: what's happened to the father of Benedictus and Scholastica ? Because, on the site, I could understand that he had been killed in combat. However, he's mentionned in the beginning, isn't he ? Can you clarify me about that ?

EveFall 21:09, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

JUST FOUND OUT
But doesn't Takahisa's route have an ending scenario that has him talking to Yukiko about something? What ARE they talking about anyway. Here the link, but you'll need to use google translate for the website.

http://sakuanzu396.blog70.fc2.com/blog-entry-865.html

(76.211.225.180 12:34, Janurary 16, 2012 (UTC)

I thought
it was because of  she was in the past (before being in the Index) that she was hostile toward Misao and others people considered as heretics. Maybe I was wrong.

Speaking about Benedictus, there is a CG where he seemed hugging his sister, but after he has a kind of tentacle at the hand which strangled him. What is this scene ? What happened here ?

EveFall 17:10, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ah ok
But I saw on wikia.aniota.info (i think if it was the site's name) it's saying that Elaine has the worst relationships with Misao because of this.

Ok, for Benedictus, is it the moment where he saw his sister with a flesh body, isn't it ? And he didn't doubt of something ? (As for Elaine when she saw Sebastianus alive...)

EveFall 17:42, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yes
but at least, Misao in her final batlle against liselotte (before the scene where Georgius shoot the spell) she revealed she could escape from the Liselotte's Phantasmgoria. Does it mean that the victims can break free the illusion in just recognizing the truth ?

But I have a last question about the illusion of Benedictus: there is a CG where he is enclosed by monsters looking like his sister. What happened ? Are they ghost or something ?

EveFall 18:49, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

WHO?
Are you talking about where he sees Ema in her underwear or he actually did it with Yukiko? Here's the link for the first cg I was talking about. Scroll down until you see Ema in her undergarments.

http://www.lightnovel.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=299676&extra=&highlight=&page=8

(76.211.225.180 11:55, Janurary 16, 2012 (UTC)

I understood
better. That's why Misao could defeat her illusion. Thanks for clarify me.

By the way, does Georgius love Misao as she loves him ? (Because in the original, it's nearly never mentionned.) I would like a general idea about the relationships between the apostles (even if I already know Elaine's and Samson's feelings). I ask that because I would like writing a fanfic about this part. (which would include different pairings...nothing weird!) Thanks you for your reply.

EveFall 08:23, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay but
At the end of the battle, does Georgius become clear about his feelings for Misao ? A moment, just after having stopped Omnimium principia, she said a thing about love, but I couldn't translate.

Ah I see you made Takahisa afetr story. Will you do the others routes ? (Because apparently, the others routes are just H-scene, except a battle's scene in Misuzu afterstory)

EveFall 10:35, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Kaori and Tadashi
What is the route where they are together ? There is a CG when they are walking together and they hold the hand of each other. Is it from Shiori's route ?

EveFall 14:34, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ok
Speaking about Shiori afterstory, there is a scene where Chiara and Sophia talked. Is it the moment where they learned that Ursula is convocated to a trial ? Or is it an another moment ?

EveFall 15:35, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

So Sophia
and Chiara have rather a good relationships, haven't they ?

EveFall 16:26, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's sure
with Sophia's character. I like her, she is so sadistic and nice with shiori at the same time.

The one I don't like very much is Johanna. Does is she the person who is responsable of Lisette's transformation because of her Index's croisade ? (According to If story, where she is definited as Maria)

EveFall 17:06, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yes but
at the end of the original, Kukuri made a world where Lisette hasn't been killed, isn't she ?

By the way, speaking of jishou, what page did he do ? How do you two share the pages out ?

EveFall 17:55, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

It's sad
that the after stories of the different protagonists have nearly no connection with the original, except Shiori's route, and the after stories are just here for the fanservice and the H-scene. (I found on his profile Takahisa route sweet, which completed his story, but for the others things like the Red night...) Personally, they could make a fandisk with just Shiori, Lisette and Misao's route, but I think they wanted to keep something with the original protagonist.

Also, I wondered why they didn't put the 11eyes Crossover protagonists, as Mio, Shione and Kanae (nobody knows what happened to her after the final battle)

EveFall 18:17, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

So it will
be a manga, won't it ? I wondered if we'll see Kanae and the others members of Thule.

Speaking about members of Thule, what's the others members who didn't appear in the game, beside Sophia, Fu manchu, Kanae and Liselotte ?

EveFall 06:29, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

It's boring
that 11eyes ends. But I think it's better to end now that make an another which would be nothing but fanservice. -_-

By the way, have you read the manga of 11eyes (Misuzu route) ?

EveFall 17:22, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

I have
a question about Elaine past: after the fight she had before she came to the Index (the one where she lost against Sebastianus), does she have some trouble with the Church ? Because I have read that Georgius and the Church had a kind of contentious because of her and that she had to be watched, but as it was in Chinese, maybe I translated it badly. I just understood that there were a story with Elaine after her fight.

EveFall 21:08, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

And will
you do a page about the manga ?

I would do give you the site where I saw this, (it's glog.cc and this is in chinese) but today, it made a upgrade and they closed it. -_-

EveFall 06:31, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Cool
I also saw the first chapters of the manga (in english) which have been great. Nevertheless, I saw the rest in Chinese, but there are some of scene which are from the game, even if there are some of which are too short at the end. Even if I know it was Misuzu's route, they suppressed some scenes. But I think it was because the author couldn't do everything. However, the combat between Misao and Misuzu in manga was great!

EveFall 17:52, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Can
you tell me where have you downloaded 11eyes crossover and Resona Forma, please?

EveFall 17:08, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

I saw
that there is a download link on vnsharing.net. Can we access to it ?

EveFall 21:57, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
you a lot, Venom00.

EveFall 18:33, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

By the way Have the files
got virus ? (I ask that because my computer has got an antivirus which is a real colander). And also, what program do I need to install the files rar?

thanks

EveFall 18:37, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay but
do you know where can I find winrir free ?

EveFall 22:10, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks
you a lot again!

EveFall 11:11, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

It's maybe
a little weird as question, but I have difficulty to understand certain characters, and wonder if they are good or evil. Liselotte was a thing, but others have a personality very complex to clarify what they are really. Can you clarify me about these characters?

- Yuka (in the anime): In the anime, she began well but after, she turned into a psycho, and in the end, I wonder if she wasn't a pseudo-antagonist (anyway she liberated Liselotte).

- Johanna. Apparently, she isn't really an antagonist, (excepted maybe in Shiori route) but I understand that she wasn't so pure that she seemed to be.

- Benedictus. I have doubt, because apparently, he is showed to be not such a nice person, and if he isn't a bit twisted.

- Misao. In Before Story, I don't have doubt about her but in the original I wonder about her sincerity, seeing the way how she manipulated the others, like Invidia. And in the anime...

- Sophia is difficult to understand, too. I have trouble to figure her out.

- And finally, Kukuri. Okay, I understand her actions, but since the beginning (or since she learned the truth), she planned to kill the others fragments, isn't she ?

I'm sorry to ask you that, it's just that I would like figure out certain characters.

EveFall 14:18, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

In fact
characters aren't really good or evil, are they ? They have their defaults and their qualities, haven't they?

EveFall 06:32, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Ok
But about the anime, I don't understand the episode 11. The scene where Kakeru slept with Misuzu, it was especially to have power, wasn't it ? (Just for Kakeru's side). But I saw that it didn't really work (Even Misao said it was useless). So I wondered: did it suppose work, or Misuzu just said it to benefit it ? This "bad" end was really badly done.

EveFall 16:29, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yes but
for Misuzu, it wasn't really just because she wanted to gain power, isn't it? Seeing that she loved Kakeru, maybe she wanted to have sex with him (moreover, she said a thing like that, when she said to Kakeru "I want you make of me a woman") so deep down, it was a excuse for doing that. In fact, even if they have power, they couldn't do nothing against Liselotte, so I wonder if she said that rather as a last wish than other thing.

EveFall 17:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

DOES THIS
game come with a drama cd? If it does, what is the whole plot in the cd?

(76.211.225.180 08:27, Janurary 24, 2012 (UTC)

I MEANT
11eyes Resona Forma's drama cd.

(76.211.225.180 09:23, Janurary 25, 2012 (UTC)

Larvaes
Yes, I wondered when I saw Larvae profile: there is various type of larvae belonging to the Black knights. But in the beginning of game, there is already larveas, as Gula's one, which appeared before his battle. It's the same for Acedia's one, (i don't really remember, but this is the scene where Kukuri showed her power for the first time in the Red night). I don't really understand it.

EveFall 22:52, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hohoho
King of king,

from this day onward, always,

let none escape from your breathe of a thousand curse,

Azi Dahaka

Jishou 10:33, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Okay so
Larvaes are individuals, aren't they ? No matter if the Black Knights die, they are still here.

EveFall 10:51, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

About
the battle of the apostles, does the final attack of Uastirdjy is the same that the Shiori's one against Avaritia ? I have the feeling that it's look like a lot.

EveFall 12:51, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

So
What is the name of Shiori's last spell ? Isn't it something like Utica V.Pan Magika (I wasn't be able to copy it) when she was using millions books ? Because I saw something similar in Scholastica's profile (in japanese) but according to baidu.com the spell that use Uastirdjy is a lot less powerful.

EveFall 16:55, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Okay
By the way, about the anime, I rewatched it and I thought a thing: Everybody hate Yuka because because she turned into a psycho, but I wondered if this behavior (beside the fact she is jealous) wasn't because of her Fragment, who would possesse her, was it? Yes, I know she is a Yandere, but even if the anime was bad, she changed just after that her power was awakened and the others killed Invidia. I wonder if it's just her or because of Liselotte;

EveFall 17:31, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Funny
that normally I wouldn't concern myself with other conversations, no offense though, but after watching your and EveFall dialogue,...

Well, nevermind, I just want to make one point, you are right, 11eyes does have some really mindraping philosophy, and RF is even more so when Johanna enter the game. I just want to tell you these things but since my mind can't connect them into a nice paragraph, so please excuse me for being all over the place.

1. Johanna actually love Jesus, it's highly imply in the scene Johanna and Hieronymus II, when Hieronymus finally realized that and she said, "If you go around and telling people this, I will not forgive, even if it's you, Hieronymus". Her ultimate goal is to bring the whole world into the kingdom of God, but you can't interprete this on the surface meaning, so her ultimate goal is to force everyone to live in a world that Jesus had envisioned. It's not explicitly stated but I believe that she believe that doing so will make her closer to him, which symbollically means that her love for him, like Misao love for Georgius, is her motivation. This, I believe, is the reason why Fu Manchu asked Georgius if what Lieselotte was doing was any different than Johanna.

2. Many spells that was used by Index apostle have references to phrase in the Bible or Christianity, even Johanna's philosophy is Bible based. That's why incantation for Index spells are kanji as seiku, meaning holy phrases instead of jumon, which is incantation.

3. Still trying to decipher Johanna explanation on parallel world and her view of the world, which would lead to understanding of how she obtain her immortality.

4. According to Johanna's view on the Emerald Tablet, it's an object with the power to warp reality. The power will still retain even if the tablet is broken physically, the sizes of the fragments isn't what determines its power. It's the personality of the holders that is matter, which explain why Kukuri has such power, even if what she processes is only a fragment of Liselotte.

5. Liselotte Omnium Principia is a pure Larvae spell, no fire. Its description from Misao's view is that Lieselotte gathered all the mana in the world at one point, giving it a temperature that would normally not possible in nature. From Kakeru's view is that it's a spell which can devour Aether and turns it into Larvae. It does not state that Larvea will naturally devour and turn Aether into more Larvae, it's just the effect of this spell only. And one more thing, Misao being able to reflect Omnium Principia has nothing to do with the spell being weakened because Liz used Phantasmagoria before that. Tenken, Kusakabe, (the same spell that reflect Misuzu's Kigazetsutou) is an ultimate technique developed by Misao herself by incorporate all she learn from Ryouichi scroll and her travel around China after she decide to run away from home. The technique basically use her 2 blades as gates to a reality marble, which means whatever energy hit the blade will go into a reality marble, then Misao will open the gate again with her blades and reflect out whatever energy was going in. Azi Dahaka is a similar spell as Omnium Principia, also a pure Larvae spell, the different is that Kanae compress mana into a small point, when the maximal compression is reached, it will expand out like serpents made of lightning (sort of like a mini big bang).

6. I really love Lass's spells, they are not Magic A is Magic A (see tvtrope if you don't get what I'm talking about), a spell in 11eyes is an effect, and how the caster present it is entirely up to him or herself.

7. It was never explicitly stated, just a thought of mine but I sorta get this when I read the section explaining Sebastian's power. It was said that the Nestorius Church of China developed the technique for fighting heretics, and Sebas is a descendant from that clan. His breathes are described as like a holy phrase from Bible being exalted, his movement alone can perform exorcisms. So I kinda notice one of the craziest thing ever, it's kinda like an enlightenment. If you can read and write Vietnamese, I assume that you know what Wuxia is, right. In wuxia novels, the protags almost always got his awesome Chinese kungfu when reading a hidden Kungfu manuscripts left behind by some older generations. These manuscripts almost never explicitly illustrate how to perform this and that move, but the manuscripts are rather in a poem form like philosophy, and these philosophy is interpreted into movements. An example would be Taichi, it's a kungfu that was based on a simple Ying-yang symbol. So here is the point, Sebas kungfu is being developed from the Bible, can you believe it, the Bible is read as a kungfu manuscript, lol.

Jishou 06:53, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

One more thing
Please reply me, I want to know what you think.

Jishou 07:36, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes
I just remembered the scene where Shiori explained about the Fragments. She said that the Fragment was dangerous depending the bearer. So it's just Yuka who was crazy. I wondered about because I didn't understand the end, where Liselotte took the control of Yuka. So, I thought it was because the witch she was crazy.

EveFall 09:59, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Let's put it this way
Reality Marble in 11eyes, if you haven't notice, is just a convenient term for any magical, extradimensional space created by sorcery. Oh, right, I remember there is one scene where Benedictus was analyzing the Red Night, and he was talking about Reality Marble, apparently, Reality Marble can be part of a spell, or it can be like, you know, the Reality Marble that we know so far. You seem to forget that Reality Marble in 11eyes are not the same as Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime. Reality Marble in 11eyes is just a space with special effect created by sorcery. The caster can craft any sort of Reality Marble desired, so your question is not applicable, I'm afraid. The answer for your question would be yes for Nasuverse though, because Reality Marble in Nasuverse is defined as a space that reflect the caster's soul. In 11eyes, it should be that everyone can craft a Reality Marble, if they know how to and have the power to do so.

About the Emerald Tablet, its power isn't only depend on the personality of the holder, but something that Johanna called, personality of the stone, which I called belief. She explained as era changed, people believe in different things, such as Tamaki's example, her ancestor, the Green Miko, was able to go around Japan and heal people sickness of various kind, while Tamaki herself, as she stated, can only heal minor injuries. It can be explained that in Green Miko's time, people believe more in spirituality and power, while in the modern time, you know...

Wonder if you have already knew this but Georgius and Samson was thinking that Johanna sent them Japan as a suicide mission on purpose, the reason was because Georgius was becoming a threat because he was more open minded and thus made more friend and he had a mass of supporter within Index himself. The open mind part can be seen by his team, Index is Catholic, while Georgius whole team was composed of only himself Catholic, and with Misao on top of that.

Jishou 10:24, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

By the way
I would like to know if in Resona Forma, Michele Maximilian is mentioned. Because according to the original, I saw there is very bit information about this character (even if he had a big role in Lisette's transformation). I wondered precisely what is his relationships with Johanna.

EveFall 20:41, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Fu Manchu's origin
First stuff is the info from RF, Fu Manchu, known in Asia as the Seven Assassin and the Optimistic Hero, known in Europe as Lord Hornless. From Europe, he had learned extensive scientific knowledge, especially medicine and poison. He even learned western sorcery from goat skin patchment, and master things he learned even better than those who are called experts of these fields. During WWII, he joined Thule with the condition that they let him do his business, which you know, and he later developed a fetish for collecting strange girls and when Thule voiced its opposition, he and everything he processed vanished without a trace the next day. During the scene where Georgius and Samson met him, he mocked them by saying that his largest customer is none other than Index itself. Index required his services to deliver holy relics of orthodox churches around Europe back to Index, lest they be destroyed or gone missing or taken by other power such as the Nazi. The price for his services is that Index give him some of the knowledge in its arsenal, which is ironic because Index's rule is that no information regarding the organization and regarding all the magical knowledge the organization process may be leaked to outsider.

Now from the BBS, which isn't in the game. In his earliest memory, he was ripped from his mother side as they killed her and he was sold into a slave market. When he was ten, he ran away from a place which he was sold as a sex slave and was rescue by a woman who named was Shi Fan, a woman who is infamous within the kungfu world at the time. She gave him a place to live and taught him kungfu (mainly assassination skills) and Daoism. His first murder victim was her. Even though she is 10 years above his age, he seduced and impregnated her, and killed her during her weakest moment. He then inherited all her fortune and used this asset to travel to Europe. On the day of his departure, 7 swordmen was sent to avenge Shi Fan's death, but he dispatched them all with 1 hit.

Jishou 06:10, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

The Void Stone
Lieselotte's Void Stone is an interesting case. You have to remember, the stone fused with her soul. Arcus Pactum power does not split the stone itself, but split her soul. Since the stone had fused with her soul, it was split along with the soul. If you think about it, Johanna's theory is still true because the stone power did not weaken, otherwise, it would be like in the anime so that Lieselotte would require another fragment to complete Hell Fall. So what weakened Lieselotte and allowed her to be sealed was because her soul was split. Then I also notice the positive traits and negative traits, too. The power that the gang have isn't exactly because they were derived from Lieselotte's. The negative traits are definitely not due to the Larval power within the fragments, like Takahisa's bloodlust, it is due to Lieselotte's soul influence. Yukiko's bloodlust, however, was due to her unstableness, not due to the stone or Liselotte's soul. Like you said yourself, the stone is Larval nature, but Kukuri's power is pure Aether. Since the stone power is reality warping, which is like granting wishes, it is most likely that the power of the fragments are due to the need of each respective person to allow them to survive in the environment they grew up with. Kukuri needed to be a mother figure, so she has power like a mother goddess. Yukiko needed to survive the battlefield, so she had regeneration. Yuka's power is an interesting case, it could be due to Lieselotte's influence, it could be due to her personality. Also, if you think about it, the stone fused with Liz's soul is what allowed it to be destroyed. Fusing the stone with a soul have an advantage, it can keep people from taking it away. But if your soul is destroyed, the stone is destroyed along with it. Kukuri's power allow her to influence everything Aether, including destroying them, and the soul is made up of Aether, so...

Jishou 10:00, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Can you give me
the link of BBS, please ? I searched on the net and I saw there are many sites named BBS. Is it the Lass'site that you've talked about?

EveFall 17:17, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

According to
your dialogue with Jishou, do you speak about Fu Manchu's origins from RF or the original Fu Manchu?

By the way, what is the recent picture you've added ? It's seems not from 11eyes. Is it from the Lass's 5th Style?

EveFall 19:51, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I wondered how you got your view backward
Let's me get this straight, you thought that instead of the stone fusing into Lieselotte's soul, her soul was deposited into the stone (like how Voldemort created his horcruxes), right? Made me thought of the stupidity of the anime, the scene where Superbia ripped out Yukiko's fragment. It didn't make any sense because she could just rip the fragment out of Lieselotte and be done with it, why bother destroying the fragments and sealing her?

What was you talking about when you said that both the eyes and the stone was needed to end the Red Night? I didn't get that part.

Oh yeah, I think that due to the anime, you think that the Hell Fall is incomplete but the spell was already completed the moment Lieselotte successfully summoned the Black Moon, she just waited for it to descend, it was the 6 towers erected by the apostles that temporarily held it up there. This explained why Kukuri had to recreate the world from anew, aside from the reason that she wanted to resurrect the gang. If the spell was indeed incomplete, then wouldn't the Black Moon disappear when Liselotte was defeated, but it didn't. Then again there was Kanae's plan, which kinda supported the incompletion, but then it was never explained what would happen if Kanae were to success. If Kanae were to success, would the Moon disappear, or would it just hang around but never reach the ground. If the former were true, then the spell should be incomplete, if the later were true, then the spell would be completed but it require mana from Lieselotte to reach the ground. Even that, we don't know how Kanae got her information about the Red Night, and we don't know if Kanae miscalculated. But I remembered that Lieselotte said something like, "from the moment I opened the Petues, you have already lost".

I think what happened to Lieselotte in the If story is just away of saying that everything has a equivalent price, he lived through, but she left. I don't think it was ever explained why she left him, my speculation is that she was bored or something.

One more thing, the name Zorn was actually mentioned by Lieselotte's CrossVision scene in Sin, Damnation, and Atonement Girls, I think you miss it somehow.

Oh, and the official English name for Shoujo Shin'iki, Shoujo Tengoku was revealed to be Girls Sanctuary Girls Megalith Xenofield.

And I've been wondering, did you ever verify stuffs that I told you in this talk page? Or you just trust me because I understand the text better than you do? I'm asking this cuz you know, my Japanese isn't perfect also and I feel like in these recent messages, I was like trying to convince you to believe me instead of you believe me because the information I give you is true. Normally I wouldn't have asked you this, but seeing EveFall has been asking for sources when we answered his question somehow made me thought of this.

Jishou 23:51, January 30, 2012 (UTC)