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The anime

wasn't really as great as the opening and the ending was. Lieselotte said something about it was kind of center of her world. I didn't understand it.

Talking about Lieselotte. In Lisette story, is she related to the Beziers children or not? I wrote their link was unknown but do you know something about?

EveFall 18:53, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

But

Beziers children seem be siblings, according their appearance, even if they aren't related to Lisette. About Lisette's relationships, I put Johanna in her section because they have really a connection, as she is supposed being Sister Maria. Nevertheless, I have doubt. They were in good terms in the past, but I wonder if Maria (becoming Johanna) knew that Lieselotte was Lisette. If it's the case, the fact that she sent people for killing her seems pointing that she did'n't really care about Lisette. I wonder if she cared really for her, but her mission given by God was more important for her when she became the Pope. What do you think about it?

EveFall 09:32, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes

you're right about it. Generally, when I watch an anime I often care about the appearance and the way how characters are drawn for knowing if they are related somehow because a lot of anime often take this way. That's why I thought children were related. Are you drawing ? Are you on deviantart or something else ?

By the way talking about Johanna. I wonder what happened to her in If Story ending, as it isn't mentioned.

EveFall 14:37, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Cool

I have a deviantart account too but as it's recent, I haven't drawn not much yet.

I noticed that you did Misuzu After Story list of events and I wonder if Yuka is just jealous of Misuzu particulary or it's with all the others girls, because I didn't see her jealous of another girl as Kukuri or Yukiko.

EveFall 15:11, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

I

understand you. I hate her too in the anime but in the game, she is at least interesting with her personality. By the way, what are your favorite characters ? I prefer more Misuzu and Shiori with Kakeru.

EveFall 17:00, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Cool

I'm not the only fan of the pairing ShuuxKanae. xD And what about the main girls from SDAG arc ?

EveFall 19:39, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Me too

I hate type of characters which are too deja vu for me like Yuka who is the typical childhood friend becoming a crazy yandere. I prefer characters which are not all good or evil like the protagonists sometimes. The only exception is Lieselotte/Lisette due to her deep story (sad they didn't show her character in the anime). The Black Knights are well done too and I really like Shiori and Sophia because of her personality. (There isn't information about Chiara enough so I can't really saying something about her).

EveFall 19:58, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Lol

I always thought Chiara as an attentive and responsible person especially toward Shiori. How I was wrong... That scene is before the final meeting between Johanna and Sophia, isn't it?

And the characters that I can't bear are Yuka who is really cliche and hateful (less in the game) Misuzu (just in the anime too. In the game, she's correct) and maybe Johanna too. I think you understand why. lol

EveFall 10:04, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

In fact

In the anime, I don't really like how Misuzu "seduces" Kakeru by any ways so that's why I find her annoying (even though I don't like Kakeru in the anime). I don't defend Yuka (Lieselotte became my favorite character when she killed her in the anime) but Misuzu is one of reasons why she became crazy anyway. Ah I forgot Misao that I hated in the anime (She is too cruel in any case, even if in the game she has good reasons) Johanna is a very interesting character but I don't know. I find her so scary...lol And what about you?

Old

women ? Do you talk about women like Saiko or someone ?

EveFall 16:56, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

To

be honest, I don't really care of it. If they are good characters, I let it slide. In the end, I think the most unbearable character along Yuka is the protagonist himself Kakeru. I've nothing against him but to see the nice hero who wants to be strong with every girls who will fall in love with him is too deja vu. (especially in harem show) I prefer Shuu over him personally.

EveFall 17:33, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I talked

especially of the anime, where Kakeru is really unbearable. In fact, every main protagonists (Kakeru Yuka and Misuzu) from the anime are annoying in their way. Kakeru is better in the game, but I still don't like him much. About Shuu, I didn't really see his pathetic side (except the moment where he rejected Shione).

EveFall 10:28, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree

with you about it. But on other hand, his grandfather isn't mentioned being dead or alive as he erased Shuu's memories of him (even if he's probably dead) so Shuu can't really know. By the way, does Index allow modern magic? I wonder about it.

EveFall 12:13, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

About

Shuu, is it mentioned why did his grandfather disappear ?

EveFall 21:29, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

In

After Stories in Resona Forma, does Kakeru use the Eye of Aeon again?

EveFall 14:50, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

About Hieronymus

does he have some powers ?

EveFall 17:26, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

In the first episode

of the anime, what is Misuzu doing in the beginning ? (When she is dressed in kimono)

EveFall 09:24, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

As

at the ending of the last episode. I didn't understand why there is some snow after Lieselotte's defeat. lol

By the way, in which moment there is the screenshot in Yukiko's profile ?

EveFall 12:25, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

About

Yukiko, does Ema appear in her route? Or she is only present in Takahisa's route? I wonder because there is a cg where Yukiko is dressed in cosplay and she's with her, but I don't know if it's in Takahisa's route or in Yukiko's route.

EveFall 13:11, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

But the scenes

where Yukiko is dressed differently from the original are in Yukiko route, isn't she? By the way, I don't know if it's mentioned, but does Ema love Kakeru like the others girls?

EveFall 15:32, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

I thought, as there is a moment where Takahisa is furious after Kakeru.

EveFall 17:51, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

I thought, as there is a moment where Takahisa is furious after Kakeru.

By the way, I wonder about Takahisa and Ema's past: they were in the same orphanage as Kakeru, Yuka and Kukuri. But the orphanage has been closed ,hasn't it? (because of Yuka's power). So, were they affected by Yuka's power or at least involved in the events? I know Takahisa left the orphanage, but what about Ema?

EveFall 17:58, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

By the way, in which moment there is the Cg where Takahisa (child) carries Ema ? Was it when they were in the orphanage?

EveFall 20:41, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

In which

moment Benedictus said the sentence where humans are nuisance? It's during the meeting with his father?

EveFall 13:33, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

By the way, have you done Kaori's ending (if Shuu chooses her) in 11eyes Crossover?

EveFall 18:23, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Aw

Kaori's route the worst? Yet, it's a great character. (In the anime, secondary characters are even better than main protagonists).

By the way, thanks for correcting my spelling mistakes in anime section. Sheesh, I dread the time where I will do Yuka's section.

Yes

HMF characters aren't too cliche unlike SDAF characters. Others characters are good, but I also think as Kaori didn't have really a major role in the game unlike the others. Then she is a bit like Yukiko, who is supposed being with Takahisa. However, in the anime, Kaori (as well as the others secondary characters) was much better than the protagonists. It would have been better if she had been the one who replaced Yuka. *sigh*

By the way, what is the best route in HMF?

EveFall 15:32, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sad

there isn't Kanae's route. It would have been so great. By the way, I saw some others CG from others routes in Resona Forma, and that's me or some characters are weirdly drawn? (As in Yuka's route)

EveFall 18:15, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'm agree

However, about Kukuri, I've the feeling she has been drawn differently in Resona Forma from the original, except in some CGs.

EveFall 20:13, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I searched

for it on the net and apparently, according to the website, the person who has drawn Kukuri in the original (Ozawa Yuu I think so) left Lass. And it's another person (Hayawaka Harui) who drew her in Resona Forma. But I can be wrong.

EveFall 12:43, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Just

in the Cg where she kissed Kakeru, she looked like more in the original even if I'm not sure. I couldn't really perceive it.

Talking about Kukuri, I wonder why they didn't make a longer route for her, as she is supposed to be the girl who has the true ending. Anyway, I know Kukuri ends up with Kakeru in the original, but as Shiori's route in Resona Forma is a kind of sequel, I wonder who Kakeru really ends up with. (As long as it's not Yuka, I'm happy.)

EveFall 20:14, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I

was surprised for games's ending because I didn't expect Kukuri having the true ending (I expected more Yuka or Misuzu like in the others medias). I think Kukuri wasn't so popular too, unlike Shiori, because some people don't like incest so they tried to correct it in Kukuri's After Story but without any success. Too bad. Kukuri was great. In any case, there is still a lot of incest hinted.

EveFall 05:32, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

In which

moment there is the CG where Kukuri is with her younger brother (not Kakeru, the one from the parallel dimension)?

EveFall 11:05, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

A question : in each routes, do the others characters of Kakeru's gang, as Takahisa, Yukiko, ect. (except Kakeru and the chosen girl) appear, as in Misuzu's route?

EveFall 12:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

By the way

Are you aware ? According to Lass site, a deck of cards have been released and there are all of characters from 11eyes and from others games. The name is Phantasmagoria.

EveFall 17:13, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think

there is a website where cards are online but i don't know if I can download them. I think it's phanta-tcg.com. I just saw cards from the last version so I don't know if there are all cards.

EveFall 17:46, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

In

Kukuri's After Story, is the reason why Kukuri (Kakeru's real sister) killed herself mentioned?

12:42, May 8, 2012 (UTC)EveFall

I would like to know

when Kukuri recreated the world in Crossover, do Shuu and the others have been aware of it?

EveFall 14:51, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

There is a scene

right before Misuzu and Yuka learns that Takahisa became insane and Saiko is died and they seem arguing with each other. I didn't understand what's happened in this scene.

EveFall 16:59, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

In which moment

Verard said the sentence :"I am death. I house darkness and span infirmity. I am your death." ?

EveFall 05:29, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

I thought it was in Kakeru's dreams. By the way, I wonder about Johanna : I wonder if she can being considered as an antagonist from Shiori After Story. I wrote she was an antagonist but I'm unsure about it.

EveFall 17:30, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

I thought Johanna was an antagonist, seeing the way she is behaving toward Shiori.

EveFall 18:02, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yes

but I wondered about it just because of the prologue scene, where Shiori tried to defend herself from her, when she gave her report on her mission. I found her a bit like an antagonist in this scene.

EveFall 18:14, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ah

I understood now. But just a question : if Shiori said the truth, what would have happened to the Fragments (especially to Kakeru)?

EveFall 16:14, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Where

can I find the scene where Tadashi and Kaori are in the Red Night? I didn't find this scene.

EveFall 15:33, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

I thought it was in the original or in the Crossover, when Yuka created her world.

EveFall 16:38, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

I HAVE A QUESTION

Does Takahisa speak in his after story?

(76.211.225.180 10:32, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Will

you play to the 5th game of Lass?

EveFall 18:17, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

What

is basically the story of the 5th game about?

EveFall 14:46, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Does

it mentionned what happened to Misuzu's mother? She is just mentionned in the original 11eyes but she isn't showed in her After Story.

EveFall 16:22, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just one question

What is the scene where there is the cg fd_ex08_00 (with Shiori)?

EveFall 15:05, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Is there

a true ending for 11eyes Crossover as for 11eyes original?

EveFall 08:47, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

How

to skip the H-scenes in the games?

EveFall 15:11, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

Thanks. By the way, in Shiori's section, the cg where she is paralyzed, who is the girl who is next to her?

EveFall 15:41, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

In

which moment there is the scene where there is the Cg where Ema is eating a picnic?

EveFall 19:34, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

In which moment

there is the CG with Ema (with her sprites)? Is it during her meet with Takahisa?

EveFall 19:28, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ah

yes, I forgot. I talked about the one which is in Ema's section.

EveFall 09:53, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Does

the name of Shiori's son mentionned in her story?

EveFall 16:17, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

In

one CG, there are two people who made a kind of promise. I guess it's Shiori and Kakeru but what is this promise?

EveFall 21:08, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

In

one CG, there are two people who made a kind of promise. I guess it's Shiori and Kakeru but what is this promise?

EveFall 21:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Just

Excuse-me but I don't remember : how old is Sophia ?

EveFall (talk) 21:28, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I don't

remember but who made 11eyes ost ? (I just know there are Ayane and Asriel) By the way, good to put a choice between favorite heroines (I chose Shiori xD)

EveFall (talk) 20:56, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

Am I suppose you voted for Kanae? ^^ (By the way, nobody have voted for Misuzu yet)

EveFall (talk) 09:56, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

YeahI

But that's good you did it. I wanted to vote for Lisette or Lieselotte at the beginning but as she wasn't here, I voted for my second favorite. I wouldn't really be surprised that nobody vote for Yuka or Yukiko.

EveFall (talk) 12:34, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

I know

that the anime had been wasted up but just wonder about something : in the episode 11, in the last scene where there are Liselotte and Verard, I don't understand when Verard said "why do we hate each other?" What is he talked about?

EveFall (talk) 20:14, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

In

Yukiko's after story, does Takahisa appear in? And does it mentioned who he ends up with?

EveFall (talk) 21:38, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Have

Ema and Yukiko interact in either Yukiko or Takahisa's after stroy?

(76.211.225.180 3:53, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

In the anime

at the ending of the last episode, they are in another world but which one?

90.5.34.184 22:11, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Told ya I would ;)

Told you I would look into it ;) --BP Vermilion (talk) 12:18, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

See I'm just so cool ;) btw I'm nominating Night as the next bureaucrat of the BB wiki just so y'know :D

About Kanae

is she immortal like Lieselotte ?

EveFall (talk) 11:40, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

How

is called the Shiori's spell for defense magic?

EveFall (talk) 14:12, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Will

it really a season 2 of 11eyes?

EveFall (talk) 19:01, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

so the contributor who said that there will one who will be released in 2013 was wrong?

EveFall (talk) 19:51, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to know

does Ema is one of the most popular character from resona forma?

EveFall (talk) 20:36, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know

how to compress files with Winrar. Everytime I do it, it told me: "Impossible to modify volume."

Can you help me please?

EveFall (talk) 14:12, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

It's okay

I could do it. However I've another problem: I used Daemon tool lite as emulator but I don't know to read the cd. What did yo udo?

EveFall (talk) 16:14, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay

I wanted to use a blank disc but there was a problem when it wanted to save the data of the disc. So I used Daemon Tools then Daemon tools lite. But everytime I wanted to use setup.exe it copied 5 Go or something like that and it didn't work. So I just need to insert a blank disc with Deamon tools too?

EveFall (talk) 17:56, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

In

Misuzu's route, is Misuzu attacked by some girls during a date with Kakeru?

EveFall (talk) 10:11, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Because

in Misuzu's after story, during a walk with Kakeru there are two characters (who are girl) who talked with Misuzu and mocked her, which made Misuzu angry.

EveFall (talk) 14:24, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Does

Saiko have sex with Takahisa in the original?

EveFall (talk) 11:23, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me

but in 11eyes visuals, there is a word they repeat often and I can't understand very well. That's "sonzai". What does it mean ?

EveFall (talk) 14:23, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

clear that there is often this word in the visuals novels. However, I saw somewhere that that's meant "presence" too. Am I right?

EveFall (talk) 16:08, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Okay

because I found it a bit weird to translate "the existence of someone" at times I didn't understand. :)

EveFall (talk) 16:53, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

How

using Atlas? I don't know how to proceed.

EveFall (talk) 16:19, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Just Wondering

which couples do you ship in 11eyes? Oh and when I mean by that, I mean which pairings do you support.

(76.211.225.180 3:57, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Notice about the life extending section on Fu Manchu

Hey, long time no Talk. Busy with pharmacy school, no luck with internship. Woe to ShoujoxShoujo, it would be out next year and by the look of it, I don't think it would be in 3days 11eyes verse despite some people thinking otherwise. We shall see.

Back to the main point, I notice that Fu Manchu life is almost 180 years old and while it is true that magus Werckmeister indeed extended his life to 180 years. Simon from 3days made it to 1000 years, which was the time it took him to finish Miyu + spending some more time with her, the cost was that it required him great will power to keep his mental cognitions. As Souichi stated, 1000 was the max time he could hold on to his life. At the end of his, it didn't explicitly stated but my interpretation was that his whole present fell apart, like how mages in other series died, he simply vanished in some manner. But that was Simon, what extend Fu Manchu can hold on to life is still a question to be answered.

Jishou (talk) 09:37, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Hi ! It had been a long time ;)

I came back because I'd a question to ask: in Thule members, do we know something about Golvas Mercurius (I think it's his name) ? We know he's still in Thule but do we know how old is he and how he get Balor? I always wondered why they didn't explain anything about it.

Thanks

EveFall (talk) 19:25, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

So

Balor's powers are truly unknown?

EveFall (talk) 11:37, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

By the way

About Balor, I know it's a fragment of Emerald Tablet but is it used too for Kanae's Artificial Emerald Tablet?

EveFall (talk) 16:40, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hey

I'm watching the ending of Fifth Garden right now. Did not actually read through the game, just want to see the ending. It seems that the sister, Sana, is the actual canon because she has the most BAD ENDs. To sum it up, the protag male bloodline is cursed to turn into an oni like creature that can only be killed by one of the four miko weapons and this person must also hold one of the jewel. The festival, Kouseisai, is actually to kill the protag before he can fully become a monster. He becomes a monster anyway no matter which route you choose, if you choose to live, it would be BAD END for the heroines, if you choose to die, it will be the normal ending for the heroines. Hence the "Stories aren't limited to happy endings" tagline. The protag transformation is linked to a "stone". Don't know if this is a fragment of M-Tab, could be, most likely not because Festa!! also has 2 pieces of life and death jewel but not related to M-Tab. But the four artifact jewel that the four heroine holds is made from the same stone (or at least related to) that make the protag a monster. Overall, an usual Lass game, very deep and lot of plot twists, although not as good as 11eyes because there is no suspension, anticipation feeling like 11eyes, just mystery and sadness and resolves of having to make life and death choice. BMG is very similar to ones used in 11eyes.

Jishou (talk) 07:27, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Graphic is fined

Should you want to download the game, I suggest using bit torrent by searching for 少女神域∽少女天獄 torrent instead of direct download from animesharing, which take a LOT of time and frustration. 6 part, 4 GB total, 800 MB per part, the download sites are freaking restricted, some will not let you download beyond 200 MB unless you are premium, some have extremely long waiting time between downloading.

Again, graphic is OK. Like 11eyes, irrelevant H-scenes. Protag is very Kakeru like (I never like Kakeru as a protag anyway, especially as the game progress, he feel useless), he is more like a plot device than a protag. He is even worse than Kakeru because he totally has no control over his own fate.

But the story is OK, dark, plot twist, very exciting. Just don't expect the amount of anticipation and suspension and excitement you have when watching the Red Night of 11eyes.

Jishou (talk) 23:09, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Mind raping text?

It depends on what is your definition of mind raping text. Lot of the plot is related to the legends mentioned in the pdf files terminology used in the game. Before reaching Yuki bad end, I thought that they wanted to kill Shun because he would become like a werewolf, so if you don't kill him, he'll kill everybody. The dreams Shun had also pointed toward that direction, his grandfather said something like "I'll die before I become a monster". So when I chose for Shun to live to get to Yuki's bad end, I thought he would kill her out of madness, but no, it's something else. Yuki were naked, and she was kind of like Galatea in a sense that she was in the center while Shun become a humongous monster like Galatea outer frame. Then Yuki's grandpa said something disturbing. There are two legends that is going on that are related to the plot. The first is that the monster that Shun would turn to is the darker aspect (aratama) of the Kami that they worship during Seikousai. The second is that there used to be a general (or something like that) that was beheaded and he carried a huge grudge and his head was animated and its fly about. A Kami sent out someone to seal that head away and that priest along with his followers were all bees who got turned into human. The things that Yuki's grandpa said during her bad end kinda indicate this legend. In addition, the names Okushiro, Michioka, Tsukamine all mean grave one way or another. The name Takagi means the great power of the halo of the gods.

Like I said, I only flirted through the game because lack of patient and this is all the info I got, will read it later.

Jishou (talk) 05:55, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sophisticated kanji

By my standard, I haven't see many sophisticated kanji so far. Still haven't seen any info dumping scene yet, I would expect the most sophisticate kanji in those scene. In term of philosophy, I would expect something like the Kukuri's special ending.

As I said, I haven't finished the game yet, just pure speculation on my part, so don't take my words for it.

Jishou (talk) 00:16, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

Like I told you

I've only seen through Yuki's bad end, and skipped the whole thing until the end. So please post the cameo pics that you are talking about. And I do notice because they did mentioned that Hirohara Honoka is another granddaughter of Kijuro, which make her another of Yukiko's cousin. And they also mention A:A (the game that Kaori was playing in CrossOver), but this time, it's A:A Resona Class (lol).

P.S. Ok, I just checked, you means that pics with Kanae, lol. Yep, this is 11eyes verse after all. Hahahaha.

Jishou (talk) 00:47, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

hello!

Hello!

I am Kuir, I am mostly on AW, but I saw the anime on Crunchyroll, so I thought I would check out the wiki. Is the game good? I figured it would probably be better than the anime because its only 12 episodes...

- Kuir (talk) 07:09, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Fortissimo EXA and EXS

OK, so I know you played the game. So what's the differences? Are they prequel sequel or just same game with new added on routes?

Jishou (talk) 01:38, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

What a boo

So the additional route in EXS, are they important to the main storyline, like info dumps and expand more on the universe or are they just romance for the sake of fanservices? If they are fanservices, I'm gonna stay with EXA because skipping the H-scenes are tedious.

Jishou (talk) 22:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

You've been a great help.

Jishou (talk) 23:32, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Demigouros chains?

Hey for Demigouros, was their a limit to the number of chains she or Abraxes could use? - Kuir (talk) 22:58, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Shoujo Shin'iki

Almost finish Yuki's route. Just looked at a spoiler on the forum of a chinese website. Understood the game now.

Jishou (talk) 09:32, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Adding a cat?

Hey, I was thinking of adding a Kusakabe Clan category that would encompass the family, the weapons and the village. Would that be alright? Kuir (talk) 22:54, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

  • Yes it is acceptable. Kindly put a short explanation in the category though. Venom00 (talk) 11:32, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  • Cool, I will get on that soon. Kuir (talk) 13:33, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hello

It had been a long time. I've some questions for a quite long time, and I wonder if you could give me some precisions to know if I'm wrong or not.

  • I would like to know about the original VN: does Lieselotte know that she was a counterpart of Lisette Vertorre due to the VoidStone? I think Lisette knew about it, when she recalled her memories but did Lieselotte even aware of it? In the anime, that's not necessary because she was Lieselotte under another form all along, but it always wondered me about the VN. I also wondered how Verard knew that Lisette was Lieselotte in If story. Despite similarities, I still wonder.
  • In the If story, I wonder how Sister Maria could have been Johanna. There are hints and I'm sure they are the same person. But it would mean that Johanna knew perfectly who Lisette was. And in the original VN, there are no hints that Johanna could have lived in the same village as Lisette did. So, does it mean that in the If story, Maria Magdeleine got her powers before being Sister Maria? That sounds a bit odd I wonder how she could have been Johanna in the future in another way.
  • I wonder about the Dragon Crom Cruach. How it had been created? I always thought that it was Lieselotte who created it thanks to Larvae power, but I may be wrong.
  • There are things in Before story that I find unclear. As Misao had been able to save Georgius the first time, why she couldn't have been able to save him another time? Then, during their meeting after the battle, it looked like they already knew each other before this event as Misao followed him. I find relationship between characters unclear in this story.
  • Also, I wonder when I watched Benedictus's torture: did he love Scholastica? I think he did but did he love her more than only a sibling? Incest is a recurring thing in VN, and he seemed to have a particular attachment to her in all the games . The fact that Lieselotte forced him to rape her to break him down makes me wonder about their relationship.
  • Then, about Chiara, did she stay in Index? I know Sophia left Index after Shiori's trial so I wondered.

Thanks for responding to me

EveFall (talk) 12:13, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

for clearing it to me out. I always wondered about this.

However, the fact about Sister Maria/Johanna's connection is odd to me. (She is seriously a complex character) If Johanna had really 4000 years in the original, so she may have been Sister Maria after receiving her powers from God. I know If story is an alternative reality of the true VN, but if she didn't receive her powers before to become Sister Maria (which would give her an extended lifespan), it would mean she wouldn't be as older as Lieselotte is. Furthermore, if she knew as much about Lieselotte, it would mean she already knew Lisette before and who she was before turning into a monster. I don't know how she became Johanna in the VN, but as they didn't clear it out, does it mean she always had been Sister Maria? Sorry, it is seriously mindfuck there to say the least or if Lass only messed with players with this.

  • Thanks for this explanation. But I wondered about the reason why Misao followed Georgius and why she saved him. Does it mean she already knew him before this battle? The introduction happened in 1942, and apparently they already met in 1936. I wondered if Misao knew him because she could know he would be San Jordi due to his reputation? If that isn't the case, it would be more of a love at first sight situation to me.
  • Indeed, Benedictus loved his sister apparently.  But still, incest is recurring and this torture as the rape scene is kind of nonsense to me (although we never knew what Lieselotte had in mind), as everyone who had been trapped in Phantasmagoria suffered because of a love they had. Furthermore, I wonder about the way he is always too cold toward Scholastica through the game while he said she was very important to him so could it be possibly to hide these kind of feelings?
  • Last question: in If story, Verard never dreamed when he saved Lisette from being Lieselotte. However, did Lieselotte still existed in his reality or it had been changed too?

I also saw you made a fanfiction about Shuu and Kanae. Will you continue this story? It seems interetsing to me :)

EveFall (talk) 12:41, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

So

If I well understood, Johanna only used the power of the Tablet just to know what would happen if she had been in If story? She may never have lived but that's just an illusion of her? I began to see, and I know the If story is just an alternative parallel world, as she could do what she wanted to do. Still wonder about one thing: I wonder why she decided to be Sister Maria who had been in Beziers village, in the same as Lisette did. I know she is very radical as Johanna unlike she was as Sister Maria, but if she had loved Jesus, she would have been more dedicaced to Catholicism after having met him, isn't she? Yet, it didn't prevent her to be in the same village as Lisette did, which had been destroyed by crusaders. At least her age fits a bit with Liz's one if she is truly Sister Maria there.

  • Indeed, that's kinda rushed to me too. We don't know why she saved him, while Misao was a Kusakabe while Georgius was in Index. That wasn't very detailed, but in the anime, she said she met him accross the sea (but we can't count it, can we?) so maybe they had already met each other. Was it also due to the fact that Misao could know about him as he is also San Jordi?
  • Maybe they wanted to make a H-scene in the Before story, but there would have been others ways to do even if it fits with the Phantasmagoria. I could guess that may be due to Lieselotte's past as she had been raped too, although the part with tentacles were gross. However, I can't help but wondering Phantasmagoria touched people who loved someone else and twisting their dreams like this (like Samson with Misao for example). So Bene was cold to her because of despair that he would never see her with a body? That's odd. even if she is a life form, she has powers and can live with it. And I thought that his cold attitude was due because he didn't like human emotions (he always repeated humans people were annoying) yet, he showed more emotions with the Patriarch though so i wonder about this point.

Sad, because that sounded to be a very good fanfiction. I like Shuu x Kanae too, and sad you won't continue this. Won't you write anything else about them?

EveFall (talk) 16:20, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Johanna

is definitely crazy and I would never understand such a character like her. I always wondered how she could become such a heartless monster (I still think she is heartless at times). The scenes between her and Hieronymus were weird too. I however wonder how Verard could have been able to think that Johanna is Sister Maria though as he never met her and he seemed suspicious toward her...is it because of the Eye of Aeon?

  • Well, maybe at times things are rushed to pass directly to the main arc. i thought they met each other before, but as Misao said her name, I thought that wasn't the case. By the way, before the battle I couldn't see the translation but before they came to battle, Samson and Misao were talking about something in a precise scene. What was it about overall?
  • I guessed there would be a sort of fanservice for this...That's Lieselotte indeed after all so I won't try to understand why there were tentacles in this scene, but I always wondered when we compare to others scenes deaths of Phantasmagoria had a kind of sense, that wasn't much the case there except about Bene's wish. A question about it, as he kept saying he wasn't human in the story and is proud of his body, why does he want to get a human body for his sister in the story? (sorry if that's a weird question, but this case is a bit odd to me)

Sad...Your fanfiction sounded really good and I liked your style. :(

EveFall (talk) 17:35, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah

But it sounded like nobody else was aware of the fact that Sister Maria was Johanna, isn't she? Personally, I think Michel Maximilian is less worse than Johanna is to me, despite he is supposed to be chaos, Johanna seems more vicious to me. Another thing which makes me wonder and that would be a weird question but between Liesleotte's Voidstone and Johanna's Tablet, which one is the most powerful amongst the Emerald Tablet fragment? I know there is only two but that's something that I wonder about.

  • Ah okay. Just wondered about it, as that was a scene I didn't understand much. Translation isn't my strong point.
  • I began to understand better. Despite his personality seems simple, Bene is kind of complex to me so, sorry if I sound odd. But I wonder: Scholastica seemed to never express the wish of getting a real body for herself in the story, so did Bene unconscioulsy get his wish because he was forced to bear her orb everyday, so that was more for his happiness and not carrying her orb body anymore? Sorry for the odd question, but the only sentence I managed to translate from this part was that he had now a future that he never thought as being possible so I wonder.

EveFall (talk) 20:49, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed

But I still wonder if they are such the same in powers. As if I well understood, beside killing the Fragments, the only way to kill Liesleotte as well as the Voidstone inside of her is the Eye of Aeon, isn't it? I wonder about its ability and if the Eye had the ability to destroy the God's Tablet. I don't know if that's possible but would it be able to kill it, or that's just about the Voidstone? If that was just the Voidstone, maybe the God Tablet could be more powerful? Furthermore, Johanna just had to think she exists to not being killed while that wasn't the case of Lieselotte.

  • You're maybe right. That's maybe a matter of feeling, but we are never sure when it comes to interpretation from the Phantasmagoria. By the way, another question I wonder is if Bene and Schola's feelings for each other had changed when they turned into Acedia? I know the Red night and the fact they became Black knights changed a bit their personalities in worse, but I wonder if their feelings changed too. (Like for example between Superbia and Invidia. Even Avaritia didn't care anymore about the fact that the others died like he did as Georgius. I ask this about the siblings, even if from Scholastica's side, that's never shown).
  • I don't know if you managed to translate it, but did you manage to understand what happened in Yukiko's after story? I know that's boring but wonder what about the plot overall.

EveFall (talk) 16:48, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hello....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfEyDPTnphU


Hi,I am Rtys8.

Now,is almost end of 2013,just to inform you,as of this date,the Resona Forma fandisk is partly in chinese.

(I lost access to that account due to problems with access rights on YT,so i cannot complete the video's subs or continue the series.I had to use the 11eyes crossover version,since i have trouble finding the chinese patch for the original pc game.) Frankly, i am not very satisfied with my translating, as it lacks the "authenticity" from the original japanese.

So,is anyone on the team able to assist me?Or....is the team already dead?Thanks for the Wiki,anyway, there is a lot of technobabble i could not understand in chinese. I want to translate this game,not just to redeem the image of the anime in my mind,but also to really understand what was the real picture.


Rtys8 (talk) 09:30, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

I see...

I understand,their website had been down for quite a bit.

Anyway,thanks for setting and filling up the wiki.Compared to a year ago, i now have AGTH and access to more methods and resources.

I'm still gonna give it a try to make a translated script good enough for people to understand the gist of the game.

Oh yes...

Just to ask,can i use whatever resources the wiki here has?

Also,i see for many of the articles,judging by what you have here,you seemed to have at least had consulted someone who knew Japanese.Was that the translator from the team?

I see.

Well,I'm not that great at chinese ether,but i grew with it as my mother tougue.

You know Japanese?I was hoping i could get some slight help/confirmation (Just a bit,like very specific lines,i just need input.If not,i'll leave it untranslated) when the more technical stuff rolls in.

(Btw, how do you get by ATLAS being so poorly translated > - <.........the output i am getting is very poor...do you add some modifications, or anything? I just want some way to confirm my script with the original context in JP...)

As for how my translations are worded,to be honest, i dont have enough experience to try emulating Japanese to English translations.But i will try to phase out the localisation,at least.

Eg.学姐 means Senpai.

Well,my translations are not meant to substitute the real thing,but hopefully it would inspire someone to finish the job.

Wish me luck.

Well,hope i can get enough time and motivation to do a barebones minimum "playthrough", what i want is to give a little light to the real gist of what really happened in 11eyes,the real story of sin,damnation and atonement girl.

(resona forma and hollow mirror field contain too much technobabble for me to translate.)

What i hope for, is someone would eventually take over the mantle and finish a full patch for the game.....


Rtys8 (talk) 11:10, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hey....

Well, there's not much of a fanbase left for this franchise left,huh?

Anyway,doing a translation playthrough aside,i have a few questions i really need answered.


1.How did you manage to fill up this wiki so decently if you did not have a japanese translator or someone who knew Japanese?

2. Is the spritual prequel 3days good? I was considering translating it as well,but it occured to me i had no idea about much idea of it at all.

3.What is with Kukuri? Actually, i would get there eventually,but even the first time, i still don't get what's her whole deal. Her original in Kakeru who killed herself for no apparent reason and i don't get why this one from another world is here?

Running into a wee bit of problems.

Ok,as i predicted, i am begining to run into problems with translating,because other than technobabble,11Eyes is full of some references to culture and other stuff.That's why it's not that easy.

Still gonna persist and hope someone will come by to finish the job.


【 雪子】「甘過ぎますよ、先輩! いは砂糖佐藤わたし苦くてなんぼの…コーヒ豆♪」

"You are too sweet,senpai! Sugar is sweet, Sato is me! How bitter.....How bitter.....Just how bitter ..is that Coffee Bean? (Basically,this is one of little Yukiko's strange songs)

I tried my best to translate it into something remotely sensible,but that's the best i can do.

(I really gotta hand it to the guy who translated the previous songy bit in the english patch. "The rains Saint Tropez~love Saint Tropez")


Rtys8 (talk) 11:10, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

11eyes's manga

Frankly,the best bet for a english translation now is probably the guys who translated the manga.

Anyway, i am glad they did manga anyway,i have now one more source of information i confirm stuff from.At least, i now know what Misuzu is chanting.


Rtys8 (talk) 11:09, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

It's not much,but...

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?feature=edit_ok&list=PLTGapCx3nmQdjQz3EHBF0HzjrHIiJnsIC

Well,that's a start.I need some feedback on the quality of my translations,at least,some opinions...


Btw, it just occured to me,but why did Misao do a half finished job by killing Saiko when she got in the way AND not killing Takahisa after that? She was definitely capable of overpowering Yukiko.


Rtys8 (talk) 11:09, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm...

While it's a pity no one has went to view my translations to evaluate them,but it's of little concern anyway.

I got a few questions.

1.What is this BBS you mentioned last time? If it is important information vital to my translations,i might need it.

2.ive been reading into some of your past discussions with other members,and it seems you guys might know the names of magic verses,chants and certain terms and techiques.I would like that information,i am reaching that point soon.



Rtys8 (talk) 12:49, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Still going on.....

http://www4.atwiki.jp/uwvd/pages/480.html

http://games.yahoo.co.jp/qa/detail?qid=1286069922

Well,i'm going to reach the Ira/Invidia's fight soon.....i will need help in translating the Onmyouji chants.

It may seem a little weird for the Black Knights,but it's a way of speech it seems with a bit of religious stuff.


Btw is Fortissimo//Akkord:Bsusvier good?

My thoughts....

Well,still gonna persist on it,but here's my honest thoughts on what i think of 11eyes.

It does in a way deserve it's current state of notoriety and seclusiveness.

When you pierce it together,the original Sin,Damnation and Atonement Girl was the only real story event truly worth watching it's journey to the end.

Hollow Mirror Field and Resona Forma was good supplement material. Only as supplement material,not good standalone on their own.


When you think about it........ yes, it was good trying to explain where Shiori was during all those days.....or.....how the Black Knights came to be.........but these just feel like explainations. They don't truly feel like really stories on their own.

There's no sense of mystery behind those affairs.One could blame the original Sin,Damnation and Atonement Girl for explaining a bit too much and the fact those facts aren't that compelling aside for those who want to fill up the picture in detail.

It was a good story,just not great enough to be an epic.I don't blame them,it's not like anyone can pull it off.It's ridiculously difficult.We should applaud Lass for improving since 3days and hope they would improve from there.

Persona 3 naysayers aside,yes, the similaries may have been "intended". But i rather not try to compare them both,at least, not when both aren't in top shape.

Persona 3 is the same as 11eyes in one thing,that much is certain.Both don't age very well with the times and lack updated rerelease editions.

Comparisons aside,when one gets to my state,most won't be so critical,really.

When you run out of stuff to play/watch eventually in such genres,you will be grateful such "average/cliched" stuff exists out there for you.

Cause,the overabundance of moeroge and porn fests out there always never seems to run out.



But i like 11eyes for what it does try to do,cliches aside.That's why i'm gonna translate a playthrough.

I had'nt seen another VN try to do a universe like Type-Moon between their works and with incredible explainations of side details.

Rtys8 (talk) 13:55, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Anyway....

Me doing the translation playthough is also a means of release for me for finishing affairs with this franchise,not really "prepared" to read RS when i haven't gone for a refresher on the original SDAG.


Btw, was it ever explained who exactly really sent that Kusakabe shikigami to threaten Misuzu and the gang on September 27 in the game after they have finished chatting from Cyberiad?


Rtys8 (talk) 11:03, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

You around?

Not sure if you are still there,but....

Okay,i have gotten to October 5th in game in translating,but just a few things.

1.I realised all traces of a Shiori route were essentially erased,forget that one Cyberiad Shiori Maid CG,I FOUND IN VARIOUS SLICE OF LIFE SCENES RELATED TO HER THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED SHIORI APPEAR MORE IN THE STORY ACTUALLY WERE CUT OUT.PIECES OF THE STORY ARE MISSING.

The first segment of October 5th had the entire start of the day's scene of Shiori's interactions with Tadashi actually removed and Kakeru's muscle aches from training the previous day mentioned in it.

(I don't know if this is what actually happened in Crossover,but that's what i saw in the chinese PC XBOX 360 port.Maybe the later PSP port fixes this.)


2.Soon,i will be arriving at the point where i will need help.From the looks of it,Jinsho might be the one who made a translation of the chants of the spells on this wiki.Do you have any way of contacting him?


3.Is Crossover actually Canon to the series?

Rtys8 (talk) 18:41, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Hang in there.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acqvy_hrrXs&index=14&list=PLTGapCx3nmQdjQz3EHBF0HzjrHIiJnsIC

It just hit me, i know you are probably faltering on interest as well,but....here goes....

I'm testing the PSP version atm,since it's the most refined version,i'll use it as the reference.


1.What really happened when Arctus Pactum,Contract of the Rainbow hit Liselotte? I know it split her voidstone to several pieces and sent them to other dimensions,but how does that relate to the gang getting them within their bodies and thus,by extension being her other "incarnates"?

The Eye of Aeon is set to incarnate by itself to find owners on it's own,if i remember right,but i don't think the other emerald tablets have that property.


2.What do the fragments have anything to do with the spell Casus Puteus? If killing Liselotte was the way to stop the spell,there was no need for Kukuri to do that in the final battle.


3.What was the plan of Kakeru and the gang in the final battle really? It was just meetup,then split up to defeat the Black Knights and Liselotte,no real plans,just objectives.

In fact,it's just too hilariously contrasting how ironic the Fragments of the Void are compared to the Punishment Squad.

They came in bunch of professionals with well assembled team and a strategy and they failed.

Then, these ragtag bunch of children with no plan or real experience simply defeated her plan.

The whole team went at Liselotte and died horribly.

Kakeru soloed her and won single handedy.



It's a pretty miraculously beautiful,Luck, isn't it?

Rtys8 (talk) 11:15, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Okay.....

I had just went to check on the PSP version.....

It seems like the missing Shiori Scenes could be "considered" canon in a way,but at the same time,the Shiori route exists canonically thanks to Resona Forma.

While i haven't exactly compared this to Hollow Mirror Field,but given of what i can read of the 5th Oct scene, none of it seems to contradict anything there.

In fact,if memory serves right,the events of Hollow Mirror Field hardly have any of the original 11eyes's cast appearing in the whole story.So there should'nt be any contradictions story wise.

Thus,maybe,in order to get the full picture of 11eyes, one would need to play though all versions for the full experience.


EDIT: OK,i just read that very missing scene.

Tadashi was pulling his usual sexual comedy routine with Kaori,when Shiori suddenly starts quoting a passage from the BIBLE of all things about sexual reproduction processes.

Not something you would want to show to younger audiences,man.

But they really should have edited it like Demonbane instead of cutting it out...


Rtys8 (talk) 14:34, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

How are you?

Took a break,came back refreshed.

Other than the changing of the script to remove the Shiori route,it seems like other than some extra effects,there were a few new lines added in from the original script.It's very subtle,not very consequential,but it's there.

I would'nt recommend using the PSP version for a translation,tbh.It's too dumbed down for the art resolution and sound effects.

Thus,the best edition is still the chinese PC port i use.


I had a question about Resona Forma.

Is Shiori or Kukuri the real canonical route? Frankly,i mainly lean over to the best route where everyone gets what they wish,but if Shiori is the canonical route,Kukuri is forgotten.If Kukuri is the true route,Shiori dies.

But going by the logic with the original SDAG,only Kukuri's route would really make sense.I may not have explored the full extent of Shiori's route,but the concept of "routes" don't really work with the story of 11eyes anyway.There's just no room for that in that events of the story.

Shiori just feels so tacked on in the whole affair,even with Hollow Mirror Field,or Resona Forma,but yet without her,this "outsider",we would be missing perspective on the whole affair.

Rtys8 (talk) 12:48, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

The inevitable finally came...

Well,i had a bit of free time so right now,i'm at Oct 5 where Takahisa debuted.

I spoke with Zky from the translator group about the Omyouji chants....he said those were too difficult for most translators and they just used romaji,because even if you knew the language,you still have to "make" it up.

Well,i'm taking my crack at my first one i have encounter thus far.If Mio-sama who did the manga did it,i'm sure there must be a way.What i wish to accomplish,is to get a verse that would convey what are the elements of the verse.Given what i have seen,it is literally impossible to 100% reproduce the full context of such things.


五雷神君奉勅―――我が剣に歳星の気を宿さん

"By the divine order of the Five Thunder Gods---My blade houses the breath of Jupiter!"

五雷神君-Five Thunder Gods

奉勅/奉旨-order of

我/吾/Waga- My (Litenary)

剣/劍身-Blade

歳星/Saisei-Jupiter

気/氣-Breath

宿-Houses/Accomodate

That's the best i can figure out that would seemingly be quite close to what the verse refers to.

What do you think?

I had decided not to do the bad ends in my translation playthough because i do not feel i have that much time and interest to burn on,so i just went ahead after finishing the 5 Oct Pyrokinesis section.

About the character specific ends, i am not so sure if i should do them.If I were a fan of 11eyes,i would really want the "whole package",as if,with the H scenes,which i would not do.

As i found with Resona Forma,i felt really bored of it.There's no crisis nor mystery left after the Red Night,unlike what the OP song implied.



Okay, i think i mentioned some discontent about Shiori's depiction in the stories,her being too much of an "outsider" in the whole picture,but her being really necessary to understand it.

What do you think? I am pondering if i should do a "restoration" of the Shiori's route in my playthrough,as in,i would put in her route specifc scenes in my playthough.

I want to provide the real story of the Red Night,just like Eien no Aselia-Kono Daichi no Hate De-,the real story besides the cheap H.

i need some help here...

Do you have the original files of the subitled OP videos i need them to be in,as i want to present my walkthough with subs all the way.

A bit squeezed for time...anyway..

Well,did some quick glances in Resona Forma......

Well,it wasn't as boring as i thought once things kick into play.

1.So that's probably how a Shiori route might have worked.It's kinda a bit like F/SN's iIlya route which would never really fit in with what we know,so it's a different continuity.

2.The story of the Punishment Squad actually brings to light alot of things that were always bugging me in the original.


I'm planning on doing a Crossvision map one day of all of 11eyes,just to show how massive the actually affair is.Unlike F/SN 11eyes does not have luxury of updated rereleases.

Rtys8 (talk) 12:52, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Just to tell you...

Still,chipping away at it....


The 2nd reason why i started my translation,was that this wiki was woefully lacking in information in some parts.

I looked a little in the future into Ira's debut, and i discovered two facts.

1.Kannagiri is the sharpest sword of the Kusakabe Five Treasures,but even this wasn't enough against Ira.Misuzu used it because unlike Gula,Ira was noted to be considerably more armoured.

2.Have i said the the 3rd reason for my translation? The manga. Ether way,be it Adaptation Decay or Massarce,what isn't adapted over right will leak lots of crucial details which actually serve as foreshadowing later on....

https://www.youtube.com/my_videos_annotate?v=3ijt234RjjI&video_referrer=watch

Kakeru's lucky accident wasn't so lucky,after all.

Sure,he did'nt know what he was doing at first with the vision from the Eye of Aeon and he got a lucky hit in,but as anyone who played the game and know what the dilemma he was suffering from after he got the lucky hit in would tell you that it was just a mere fluke,giving the bad end you could get if Kakeru tried to retreat after getting his lucky hit in.


As we all know by now,precognition isn't just the only power of the Eye of Aeon's bearer.In the scene,you can see the CG of Misuzu,but when the chant to discharge Raikiri comes on screen,it's not voiced by her.So,what does this mean? 

Kakeru,himself used Misuzu's spell somehow when the Eye showed him that image!

Yes,he scored a lucky critical hit,but what did Ira in,was the fact Kakeru,HIMSELF,launched the very same spell Misuzu had done against him which only left him minorly wounded during their 1v1 before in Sword Vs Fist,right through his freaking head!!! Yes,you read that right,Kakeru launched a lightning bolt spell right through Ira's head!


And the best part? Ira did'nt even die with Kakeru doing that! But he had to retreat,due to how severely damaging it was.


============================

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2748716&postcount=268

So yes,even this wasn't fully accurate to describe how watered down the actual event was.


Rtys8 (talk) 12:56, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm to be exact....

Well,the problem with Ira was that Misuzu quickly found it's just did'nt plain matter how sharp Kannagiri was if he was just parrying and dodging her blows with pure insane skill later on in Sword vs Fist within a few rounds.Will confirm this,but what i glanced through indicates that.

Kannagiri -Armor piercing due to being sharpest of all the swords.


I think,the reason why Gula needed Hiromitsu was that probably something that sleek and possibly fragile like Kannagiri can't stand against Gula's sheer overwhelming brute strength.Beside,Gula was massively...massive.He might have been less "armored" than Ira,but that wasn't the problem the gang had when they fought him.

He's the very definition of a tank,slow,and overwhelmingly heavy. None of the gang could really trade blows against Gula,Misuzu was struggling and Yukiko was only lucky because of her ability. Misuzu had to finish him fast before he killed them all.


And the same goes for Acedia,as i glanced through.If he had used all of his arsenal,which Misuzu had admitted,he would have won.


Now,i'm currently checking if the Wiki had any mention of this Location: Hatsune City,which was mentioned in my latest clip.

Rtys8 (talk) 12:09, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Back to the Red Night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23InkPD2r8

Now as i experienced with the above clip earlier while i was translating it,i really need the original JP script on hand to counter check for any errors,which i had found when doing it raw CHG-ENG.

So,if you do have any original JP scripts of 11eyes lying around,especially HMF,i need them.

Rtys8 (talk) 02:18, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Sword Against Fist!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O02c9nlHb34

Well,that was Kannagiri's one and only chance at shining in 11eyes.

Kannagiri's hidden weapon used with the chant Yin no Issen.

So yeah......the secondary weapon was the clue and i went to reread the JP wikipedia,i was wrong previously.


Kannagiri is the sharpest,not the hardest.

Also,if you read there and i had not checked properly,the Thunder spell Misuzu used isnt from Raikiri,but a Kusakabe Omyoudo spell much more powerful,Raikiri only was compatible due to element affinity.

And that still failed to kill Ira regardless.

Anyway,Kannagiri,Misuzu's spells and how the fight between Ira and Misuzu went can be updated now.

Though,i'm having second thoughts on making my translations known to the VN community because there seemingly isn't a fanbase left........

Phew!

Well i was blowing off a bit of steam earlier....I had just managed to complete a few clips in a row.

Anyway,i had managed to accomplish up to Throes of Deaths October 7th,yes that clip is now officially finished and so is everything before it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ijt234RjjI&list=PLTGapCx3nmQdjQz3EHBF0HzjrHIiJnsIC&index=35


So basically,now you know how the fight between Invidia and Ira really went.

Also,comparing the original PC version with the version i am using,i have to say the PC version is really old,lacking alot of effects and has a few extra lines inserted in.This is most prominent in Sword vs Fist and Invidia's Sword.The extra effects really helped me understand how the battle went.

(A shame i have no idea how to put the subtitiles in my videos.)

Well,recently i got a fan who's following me as i translate,so i'm not as bored.


But yes,what's next for the comedy route at the Cyberaid will be the real headache.

Rtys8 (talk) 12:10, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Fandisk cameo

http://lass.jp/product/6th_fd/images/sub03_tati.jpg

enjoy

Jishou (talk) 05:22, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Well

I haven't even played. The story might be a lot better than ShoujoxShoujo but the art is kinda urgh, and I heard the erotic content is like all most Lass games, misplace or unnecessary. But the picture which look like Chiara is named as Balbina the Faceless, an ambassador sent from Index.

Jishou (talk) 20:01, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Bullshit biases

Thanks for the automated message; I'll now be going around this atrociously written wiki removing all the unncessary biases towards the anime adaptation, which, honestly, I think handles the story better.


The anime is solid, but little baby fans like you whine, bitch, and moan when they do ANYTHING remotely different from what you're accustomed to. It's different, so, bam, automatically, you hate it.


It doesn't change the fact your little porn game or the boring as hell manga still exist for you guys to cream your pants on. The anime had a different take, and it too works.


In fact, I think Yukiko, Takahisa, Saiko, and especially Yuka actually get screentime in it, and you can grow to care about them because of it. I'm sure the game does this too, but the manga is a joke; you don't feel those 4 whatsoever in it at all.

It's all about Kakeru and Misuzu. It's flawed, to say the least.


The anime isn't perfect, but I'm so sick of this little bandwagon people like you have created to say it's one of the worst things ever, if only because it's different, and nothing else.


Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 17:37, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Liber_7

It's coming, and it's coming huge (I'm so hyped now).  In case you haven't gotten the news, the game will set in the same verse as 11eyes and 3days.  Heck, it's happening in Ayamegaoka, the characters also go to the same high school, with summer uniform.  They seem to want to make it some sort of 3days and 11eyes mash up/hybrid, as the game will be a 3 days loop with special ability characters battling some forces/each other.  Hopefully, this game will tie all the 3days and 11eyes loose ends.

By the way, could you give me a little run through the content of Mayosube?  Particularly on Index involvement.  I didn't like the art style (too much boobs with round faces) so I didn't play.

Jishou (talk) 07:33, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, yeah

Not only does it take place in Ayamegaoka, the new casts also go to Kouryoukan high school. The main character, Ishirugi Naoto, has the ability to manipulate memories of the person he touches with his right hand. The premiere of the game is that, your childhood friend is missing + explosion and mysterious murder, etc are happening. The main casts are a group called Rebellion, consist of 7 people who received ta mysterious message on their phones telling them that the world is ending in 3 days, and the only way to stop it is that the 7 Rebellions must fight among themselves in a battle royale. The final survivor shall sacrifice the other 6 to become a human god and will have the power to reshape the world as wish. When the protagonist is killed, he mysteriously returns to 3 days ago with new power awakened.

Also, they are coining new terms. 3days, 11eyes, and Liber_7 shall hence be referred to as the Number series from now on, and their world setting is called NumberWorld.


Jishou (talk) 20:11, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Well

Let's hope it's good enough so that 11eyes lovers like us don't think it's something gimmicky or it just capitalizes on the success of 3days and 11eyes because they just smash the concepts from these two previous successful games into this new one. They either pull it off or they are doomed.

And you know what's funny? Tsurugi Mana said in Tech Giant magazine that it was a wrong move for Lass to go from a middle brand to low price brands like LassLunatic and LassPixy and he admitted that the audience are more interested in adventure style like 11eyes. Considering that rumors of Liber_7 had been around since 1 year after 11eyes, they must have been hold off on this title because they want to explore the other genres, which I think is stupid, because 11eyes were selling way better compared to Shoujo and Mayosube, which got very low rating.

About the Hirohara girl, Tech Giant info says that her name is Hirohara Mei, she is a genius major in quantum information theory. She tries to maintain an arrogant demeanor but is actually just a tsundere. Her power is that she can create an impenetrable cubic area around herself.

Anyway, here is the Tech Giant scan. Enjoy!!!

http://www.odnir.com/cgi/src/nup74824.jpg


Jishou (talk) 03:54, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

In my perspective

From what I can see, the next game a VN company makes depended on the sale of the previous game. You gotta sell enough to keep the company running to make another game. So after the success of 11eyes, which have earned the company some reputation, they should have published Liber_7 as the next title instead of making us wait 8 years (less for me because I picked up 11eyes around 2010) while they push out 2 not entirely terrible titles, but really subpar for people who have read 11eyes and push fans away and lower sales.

11eyes has the suspend, the music, the fun scenes, the bonding, the character developments, the interesting back story, the really likeable villains, the unique world view mixed into perfect proportion that pushed me to want to keep reading till the end. I felt none of that when I did Shoujo, I don't know about Mayosube. In addition, they seem to steer toward the more eroscene direction, which is understandable consider it's a VN. But with the amount of VN with better eroscenes out there, I doubt it would make much of a difference. I'm so glad Tsurugi Mana finally sees the light.

Jishou (talk) 07:13, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

LEGIOん

He wrote the scenario for 3days, 11eyes, and Shoujo but he didn't do it alone, Tsurugi Mana, and one other writer also co-authored all these. Liber_7 is so far the only project with his name listed alone.

Anyway, one more good news, in the teaser trailer, there is one phrase that flashes by real quickly. "Modern Magic".

Jishou (talk) 22:10, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

Don't worry

I'm pretty sure it's the Modern Magic, maybe we'll get to see Shuu, Mio, or Amami Kanji, or some other random modern magician.

All that in my mind right now are Thule, Index, and Emerald Tablet, with emphasis on the Emerald Tablet. My wish list is that they should reveal the name of all the pieces and introduce 1 new piece at least. They could save the rest for future game.

Jishou (talk) 08:55, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Doing Liber7 right now

We finally get some info on Aenus Lavenheit and Golvas Mercurius. It seems like in the Liber7 continuity, Kakeru married Misuzu and has a daughter. Shu has some children, must have married one of the heroine in Hollow Mirrow Field. Hirohara Mei know Hirohara Nayuta because her computer was modified by Nayuta.

Jishou (talk) 01:50, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Just finished the game yesterday

I don't want to spoil anything but the game is no where near 11eyes, not even Hollow Mirror Field level or Misuzu route in Resona Forma. Where are character relationship building, but it's really pale in comparison to 11eyes. On the up side, the game does have interesting concepts and the story is definitely better than Mayosube or Shoujo.

And no, in case you are wondering, Index and Thule won't appear. Aenus Lavenheit and Amami Kanji does have something to do with the game but they will not show up in person.

Jishou (talk) 20:25, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

But I think they have already did!!!

The same town setting, introducing a name for the 11eyes world, repeating 3 days, in a way they are still trying to milk 11eyes. To be honest, I'm not sure if I'd even play the game if it wasn't set in Ayame Hill.

The worst thing is the drawing style, which is all about boobs. 4 out of the 5 female characters are just boobs it just looks so cheap. I mean, look at 11eyes, while Kukuri and Yuka does have quite a bust size, at least they are drawn normally in clothing without the boobs accentuation like these girls. If it weren't for the OK story, then this game is not much different from your average nukege.

Jishou (talk) 18:43, January 9, 2017 (UTC)

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